Inside Contraband – An Interview With The Same Sh**, Different Toilet Podcast

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Podcasting has become the major source for niche radio programming, and it’s at your fingertips. The options that podcasting provides to listeners enables them to decide not only what type of content they want to listen to but also when they want to listen to it. Podcasting enables users the ability to broaden or streamline how they use content, thus providing a greater ability to dictate which gratifications they receive from the use of podcasting. And still, podcasting has the ability to make radio personalities out of podcasters.

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Roughly six months ago, Dre Butler and Jordan Weathers reved up their engines and began work on The Same Sh!t, Different Toilet Podcast. In only a few episodes it has become one of the most popular podcasts in the Louisville area and it seems likely that its popularity will continue to rise. A few months ago I sat down with them at Diamond Pub and Billiards on Barrett Avenue in the Highlands of Louisville over a few drinks to discuss their beginnings, podcasting, and a subsequent future in radio.

Sherman Smith – What’s going on guys? Your podcast is really beginning to pop and it seems like it very well may take off as one of the next popular ones. However, for everyone not aware of the podcast game that has overtaken media, can you tell us a little bit about yourselves and how you all got started?

Dre Butler – Well sh*t, we pretty much got started when Jordan hit me about the idea to do a podcast as something that him and I could get into and I was like, f**k it…let’s get it. So we sat down and figured out how we would do it as far as how long we would talk, topics and such and such….

SS – So there wasn’t any formula that you all utilized?

D – *laughter* The first episode we had a piece of paper and a list of topics about what we were going to talk about, but when we did the episode we realized we only talked about 2 of the 10 topics…we didn’t do nothing. and then the very next time we did it we did the same thing! So I suggested that we say f**k the list and just go off the top…

Jordan Weathers – Yeah

D – We wanted to do it like we were just chilling. Same thing. So that s pretty much how we came up with the name, Same Sh*t, Different Toilet because we were just doing the same thing that we usually do on a regular day basis, but on a podcast. We’d kick it for like an hour…

SS – Yeah, like let’s kick it and talk

D – Yeah and just talk sh*t so that’s how the show started from…and compared to our first episode…

J – We’ve grown a whole lot….

D – Totally different. Cause the first episode, I ain’t even listen to it. I posted them but I ain’t listen to them.

SS – *laughter* You was just like f**k it huh?

D – Like it wasn’t bad…

J – Yeah, we were still working out the kinks…

SS – That’s how I am with my writing. Once I write some sh*t, I don’t even want to go back and read it and see some sh*t where I’m like f**k this…

D – Yeah, yeah.

J – You realize and you feel like you’re never satisfied. When you go back…you want it to be perfect but it’s never going to be perfect. To be honest, I don’t even like listening to the episodes…the people like the numbers, so I don’t even need to listen to it. I was there live.

D – It’s kind of like when the teacher says go back and double check a test…You’re going to say f**k that and just go turn it in. It is what it is. If I didn’t do good, changing my answers aint gonna make me do better.

SS – F**k it.

D – Some people do a show and they go back and edit things out but were not worried about that. We want it to be real.

J – Organic. Real.

D – Yeah man like, we at the crib, niggas is coming in and out of the crib. Somebody might be in the kitchen cooking…

J – It is what it is!

*Laughter from everyone*

D – My whole thing is…

SS – Everyday sh*t

D – Right! We’re not professionals. We are at the spot, shooting the sh*t so if you hear somebody burp, somebody laugh, somebody say some sh*t off the wall…

J – Its gonna stay in there.

D – It happened. It’s not going anywhere.

SS – Hell yeah. So how’d y’all meet?

*Laughter*

J – I’m a man of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Incorporated, so I came in with Dominique Dishman. They were roommates at the time and I met him and Dom at the same time. He was cool, into music, I like music, he was playing 2K when I met him…

SS – Yeah so you niggas just clicked…

D – Yeah on some regular sh*t. It wasn’t like no…

J – I almost got shot and this nigga saved me type sh*t

*laughter*

SS – So it wasn’t any crazy sh*t where you’ve got to write a novel or some sh*t or make a movie out of it…

D – Nah, it wasn’t no sh*t like that. We weren’t childhood friends or anything like that

SS – Y’all met and was like “I f**k with you”

J – Yeah basically

D – People always ask how we started and I’ll tell them that it was his idea. I came up with the name but it was Jordan’s idea.

J – Yeah man and we pride ourselves on giving people what they don’t expect. You never know what you’re going to get.

D – Like, the game is on now so we might talk about the game but in the middle of summer when basketball and football aren’t on we talk about some other sh*t.

J – Parties, women, music…

D – Pretty much the way we do the show…we want everyone to come on, be themselves and were gonna vibe out. It’s more than just an interview. We bring people in to discuss everything under the sun. What do you think about Beyonce’s album? What do you think about Drake’s album? Majority of the show is going to be off the top. I’m going to feed off of the guest.

J – It makes the show flow if the guest is comfortable

SS – Ok, so y’all do have a formula…

D – It’s a broken formula, there are some things that we do every time…

SS – It’s intuitive…

D – Yeah, like we always begin with a song and we always end with his words of wisdom. Those are the only two things that we do. We have the top of the sandwich and the bottom of the sandwich and everything else is in the middle, everything else you can mix and match.

J – But at the same time, if I’m not feeling a song then I’m not going to do it. If I’m not feeling the words of wisdom then I’m not going to do it.

SS – Ok I feel it. There wasn’t a technique, it just developed over time…

D – Exactly

SS – Have y’all always had an interest in podcasting or being in radio?

D – I’ve been wanting to do radio since 2012. I started my own podcast and did a few episodes in 2013. I had my own website, acagedmind.com, and I would talk about Louisville sports for 30 minutes and that would be it. I’d record on my phone….wake up at 3 o’clock in the morning, mad because the game pissed me off and I’d just talk sh*t, go back to bed, and upload to soundcloud the next day. So I kinda had an idea, but it’s wack by yourself…

J – It’s kind of like ranting off. Nigga’s don’t want to hear that sh*t…

D – Yeah and I’m not a professional radio person so those talk radio people…they know how to do that. That’s their specialty. It’s tough. I mean, I need somebody to bounce off of.

SS – It’s funny that you said that. Most of the dope radio stations have show’s that have three to four people on them, except Louisville. You’ll have one, maybe two personalities on the show and that’s it.

D – In a sense, I get it. But yeah man, that’s wack to me. It’s almost like you have a team and you’re like “cool, I’m the owner and also going to be the president, GM, and the coach. You know, that’s lack of investment. That’s why shows like the breakfast club are so special because they have enough where people can touch the different people within an audience.

SS – Why do you think that the breakfast club is so popular?

J – Controversy. I think so. Look who you’ve got…Charlemagne.

D – Yeah and everybody f**k with Envy. And you need the female perspective…and Angela Yee is not extra. They’ve mastered their own personalities and what they do best.

SS – What’s your favorite podcast that you’ve ever recorded?

J – The Christmas episode that we did has to be mine. The song I started off with was classic…the chestnuts roasting on an open fire joint…My birthday is in the month. It was just a nostalgic episode.

SS – Did you all interview someone?

J – Nah

D – Our first interview was that next week, for new year.

SS – Who’d y’all interview?

D – PlayCold

SS – Aw ok, my man Kev.

D – Yeah man, it was real smooth. Bro brought him through and was like “what questions are you going to ask him?” and I didn’t know…I basically asked him about him; what he’s been doing, where he is going next. And We went from there. We had Jalin Roze (now known as James Lindsey), the week after that. That was probably our best reviewed episode. Everyone pretty much said they were f**king with the interview, they were f**king with him. Out of all of the artists we’ve brought on he’s probably the most professional and polished. He has a code and a certain way that he wants to do things, it’s not forced or anything. He knows what he’s saying and what he’s talking about, and I think that’s what made that episode so good. The PlayCold episode was good but that was our first one, so it was rough..

SS- Y’all had to get it down…

D – Yeah, so after that we knew what and what not to do to make the show flow. A lot of people liked the BRXTN episode, the episode where we had Tha Homies…and it really depends on the guest. If they’re into it then it makes it easier for us. If they’re comfortable, we gonna be comfortable.

SS – Who else do you all listen too? Any influences?

J – I ain’t gonna lie, I don’t…

D – I watch interviews, but as far as podcasts I started listening to Brilliant Idiots, Tax Season, I f**k with Lip Service and Joe Buddens podcast but I try not to listen to any other podcasts because I don’t want to be influenced by them. That’s not going to be organic. And I don’t want to feel like I’m chasing these guys.

SS – Where do y’all think podcasting is going to go, is there a big enough market for them? People are getting ad dollars and sponsorships for their shows now…

D – If someone is willing to put the investment in it. All of those podcasts, most of the bigger ones are by loudspeaker…the podfather. So if somebody is willing to invest into a podcast then it can go to a whole other level. It’s all about supply and demand. Like, my cousin used to sell candy and condoms in high school and I think that’s brilliant. It’s the dumbest smartest idea ever. But, anyway…we don’t have that luxury so we just have to work with what we work with.

SS – Do you think that the technological aspect is going to enhance the popularity?

J – Yeah man, I mean technology is always going to grow and allow people and things to grow. We just increase our knowledge and grow with it. It’s not really something you can tell.

SS – How has your audience grown over time? And specifically, what lane are y’all trying to carve?

D – Well I had some listeners when I first started but it was mainly about sports. It was about basketball and football and Louisville sports and I wasn’t talking about nothing else. But its kind of like music…everything isn’t for everybody. I may not like 21 Savage and I may not like Lil Yachty and I might not like Kodak Black, but they don’t make music for me. I don’t get how they have so many fans but it’s not for me to understand that. There’s a lane for everybody. The lane always starts out local…and there’s a lane for our podcast. There’s not too many, let alone like ours, in the state of Kentucky. We have a lane and we can eat off it once the city is behind us….take Bryson Tiller. He’s not the first one to sound like himself. He just mastered that void. No one in our city sounded like him but you go other places…there’s a dude in Delaware that’s been sounding like that for years, Ye Ali. You go up to Toronto you got Drake, The Weeknd, PND…all that stuff has been out there but not HERE. So Tiller, he ate off that. We have food and music and sports podcasts, but nothing culturally-based, and I think that we fill that void of not having a culture-based podcast in Louisville.

The Same Sh!t Different Toilet Show can be heard above or at https://soundcloud.com/user-786977775

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